If
you don't know much about pianos or their price ranges, don't feel
bad. After all, if you’re not regularly buying pianos, why
would you? :) If it's any consolation, most people don't know much
about pianos and their prices -- even people who play them and teach
on them every day. After reading this page however, you will have
a much better understanding of price ranges and value than most
professional pianists. Other pages on this site will get you there,
too.
If
you find something you like on our site, call us at
773-383-1734 and you'll speak with one of the owners
of chicagopianos.com and Cordogan's Pianoland superstore. Cordogan's ships
across the US and Canada. We ship internationally as well, with
customers as far away as Tasmania, Australia. See why piano buyers
all over the world feel most comfortable purchasing online from
the only piano company whose website "puts it all in
writing!"
I. "HOW MUCH ARE PIANOS?!?"
Much like cars,
pianos can be “free for the hauling” or tens of thousands
of dollars. Countless cars across America are constantly being brought
to junkyards or crushed because repair costs exceed the value of
the car. Similarly, thousands of used pianos across America truly
have no monetary value because the mere cost of moving it, let alone
adding any restoration costs, exceeds its value.
Because people
know more about cars than pianos, it’s rare that a car dealer
would hear the question “How much are cars?” You could
see how difficult this question would be to answer! So with pianos,
the more appropriate question might be “How are pianos priced
and why?” And that’s a question that takes some explaining.
II. USED PIANOS ARE ALSO NOT LIKE USED CARS!
Unlike cars, pianos don't change much from year
to year, as next year's models won't have an 89th key or a fourth
pedal. Used pianos also don't become obsolete like computers --
which resell at a mere fraction of the cost of new ones. Piano models
rarely change from year to year, In fact, our industry is rather
boring in this regard. Some piano models remain largely unchanged
for decades, which given their human-like life spans, explains why
many good used pianos can easily command much more than 50% of what
their new counterparts cost.
For
example, if a car is five years old its functional life might be
half over. A 5 year-old piano is still well within its infancy.
If a baby grand from brand X sells for, say a rock bottom $10,000
new, then the same model, used for 5 years, might easily sell for
$8000 on the open market. This can be disheartening to the professional
shopper looking for a mint-condition used baby grand piano for say,
$3000! (The truth is, $8000 may be a great bargain for the used
baby grand in the above scenario.)
This is one of the realities of used pianos, especially concerning those which are still "young". In cases like the above, the used prices end up being JUST enough under the similar new one in order to entice a buyer to forego the benefits of buying NEW (factory warranty, flawless cabinet, etc) and simply pay less for a comparable used. An important consideration is that the comparison at hand is truly "apples to apples". In most cases, it's not because so many manufacturers have changed hands in recent years...or changed manufacturing facilities/techniques, that even if you're comparing the same used brand & model to a seemingly identical new one, the whole story may not be in front of you. In some instances, many used pianos can rightfully sell for much MORE than their new counterparts.
III. FINDING PRICING INFORMATION ON A SPECIFIC USED PIANO
When
a piano is older, and/or the manufacturer went out of business decades
ago, determining value gets tricky -- particularly for a potential
buyer. Unfortunately, there is little, if any, accurate and/or definitive
information on determining the value of an aged or "really
used" used piano. The condition of the instrument outweighs
everything else. Whereas, the price of a new piano is USUALLY dictated
by MSRP's (read more about MSRP's on our FAQ
page), older used pianos have a more complex formula -- one that
begins with a technician's visit to check out the piano's...er,
"vital signs”. While cabinet styling certainly has been
known to influence a purchase ("judging a book by its cover"),
be advised that a piano’s appearance -- whether beautiful
or atrocious, doesn’t often have anything to do with a piano's
quality or value.
One way to play
it safe is to find a local, trustworthy dealer who has a reputation
for being fair to help show you price ranges and what to expect
from these price ranges in terms of musical quality and furniture
style. We know however, that many readers here may not live in areas
that are serviced by a reputable dealer, not to mention one that
has a great inventory of new and used pianos. No matter how much
research you do, you should not expect to become a fully-qualified
piano technician in the space of time while you are shopping for
a piano!
Perhaps
you're fortunate enough to be in an area where you have a reputable
piano store with an in-house technical
staff and shop that is willing to walk you through the restoration
process (it's actually pretty interesting!). Then you can see first-hand
just how complex and wonderful pianos really are and why buying
privately or through a marginal dealer can be a risky endeavor.
If
you don't have such a dealer in your area, or you're simply not
inclined to spend that kind of time on this purchase, then we are
here for you! More and more buyers in North America and around the
world are coming to Chicagopianos.com to purchase
their piano. Since almost all new piano manufacturers
have dealership agreements that prohibit online phone and internet
quoting of their new piano models, most of our long distance customers
are those who are seeking mid to high grade reconditioned pianos.
We
realize what a huge investment a piano can be and that's why we're
committed to sending you as much information in writing as you request,
including delivery, warranty, trade-up
and technical information. We can even send digital photos from
various angles or, once you've narrowed down your selection, we're
glad to send you a CD containing streaming video of the piano from
all sides, while someone from our staff plays it for you. Our reconditioned
instruments come with lengthy warranties, so out-of-state piano
buyers can be confident with their purchase since we only appoint
Registered Piano Technicians to perform your tunings / service work.
IV.
USED VERTICAL PRICES
Remember
that pianos have a long lifespan; if you purchase wisely, you'll
only have to do this once. That said, for a used vertical piano
that is properly restored and warrantied, you can expect to pay
$1000 up to, well, up to $13,000 or more (as in a vintage Steinway,
for example). Generally, most reconditioned verticals end up somewhere
between $1500 and $4000. Obviously, there is plenty of overlap in
price between used and new pianos -- but that's a whole different
essay! Incidentally, good new digital pianos
cost about the same.
Check
our used vertical piano inventory pages to see what's in stock!
But please note that our online inventory only represents a fraction
of what we have in stock. If you are looking for something you don’t
see, please e-mail
or call us at 773.383.1734. We have an extensive “piano finder”
database where you can give us your wish list and we’ll compare
it to pianos that are available to us but are not yet in our inventory.
V.
USED GRANDS
As for used
grand (and baby grand) prices? For starters, we get calls almost
every week from someone just wanting one "out of their house".
Pianos can often need restoration work that well exceeds the eventual
value of the instrument, so "freebies" are common because
well, they just aren’t worth anything. Even the cost of the
move alone can exceed the value of some grands.
Grands
that are truly playable are another story. Grands that play well
AND look nice is yet another. And just what constitutes "nice"?
What YOU need to spend in order to get what YOU want is largely
determined by what YOU find is acceptable. Let's say you found a
playable, older baby grand from say, the 70's selling for $4000,
but when you went to see it, that "beautiful walnut" finish
turned out to be the medium-tone, honey walnut stain frequently
used in that era that matches absolutely nothing you own. Or maybe
it's ebony, but the ebony finish has become checked
(or "alligatored") due to sunlight, so once again,
that one's not finding a home in your living room either.
The
time it takes to find that needle in a haystack can be daunting.
You will likely find that your time is much more valuable than the
savings you may incur through multiple want ad calls and home visits
in which your wish list eventually becomes clear. If you do your
homework here, you’ll really know what to ASK for when talking
to dealers. The more specific you can get, the faster you'll rule
out places to visit -- either because you can tell they don't have
what you want (some dealers, by design, don’t even have websites),
or they're not qualified…they're not being straight…or
they’re really just “four walls in a strip mall”
and really aren’t even IN the used piano business. To truly
be in the used piano business, a dealer must have a restoration
shop, otherwise, the “strip mall” dealer’s
used inventory is pretty much limited to trade ins which are often
used as pawns to help sell the new pianos that they’re really
in the business to sell!
A
really good dealer will actually ask YOU a lot of questions to make
sure they have what you're really looking for, even if YOU don't
know how to ask for it. If you're seeking a good PIANO as well as
a nice piece of FURNITURE, prices will start rising and will begin
to overlap with inexpensive new pianos
made in China and Indonesia, a comparison which might be a good
idea for you, at least for comparison’s sake.
There
is no "Blue Book" for used pianos because the value of
a used piano is almost entirely based on its INDIVIDUAL condition.
(Hint for sellers: if you want to know your piano's value, call
a technician to appraise it! It's the ONLY way to get a specific
dollar value on your instrument.)
Email
us to start a discussion about what used piano might work for
you. Some customers wish to visit our showroom; others simply buy
from us online. Check our used inventory
pages to see if we have what you're looking for. If we don't,
please email us anyway
with your wish list because our used inventory changes almost every
day even though we can’t update it every day.
VI.
NEW PIANO PRICES
As we mentioned,
most piano manufacturers have very strict dealership agreements
that expressly prohibit dealers in North America from phone quoting
or internet quoting sale prices. It’s safe to say that you
could spend a lot more money on a good used piano than you could
on an entry level piano made in China or Indonesia. Retail prices
on new, entry level vertical pianos begin under $3000. Retail prices
on new baby grands begin under $8000. Discounts off retail prices
vary dramatically depending on the manufacturer.
VII.
HOW CORDOGAN'S CAN HELP
Along
with our hundreds of new pianos, Cordogan's
has over a hundred used pianos in inventory.
With our on-site restoration department
and staff of craftsmen & technicians, we can make them look,
feel and sound like new at the most competitive prices. Cordogan's
uses only the most professional shipping companies and insures all
pianos until they are safely delivered and set up -- no matter where
they are shipped in the world.
When
purchasing a new or used piano, you should carefully choose your
dealer, as buying privately or buying from a not-so-reputable dealer
certainly can have its drawbacks.
Cordogan’s is equally active in the new piano business AND
the used piano business – an important distinction for consumers
looking for unbiased advice on whether they should buy new or used.
Cordogan's
has generous warranties and full trade-up
options. The used piano inventory changes too frequently for
us to keep our website inventory completely current, so please call
773-383-1734 or email
Chicagopianos.com/Cordogan's for more information if you don't
immediately find what you're looking for on our used pages. Or,
come visit us if you're in or around Chicagoland! Our store is
located in Geneva, Illinois.
Pianos last
a long time (60-80+ years and beyond!), so when looking for a dealer,
look for one that has a large selection of used pianos to consider
in addition to new brands they carry. Literally ask them how many
pianos are on display to see if it’s worth your visit.
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Additional
Information for Used Piano Shoppers:
Facts
to Consider When Buying a Used Piano
Used
Piano Restoration Checklists